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New Bed, help with ID please
February 22, 2012
4:13 pm
D15H

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" And You Have? Please Cite When/Where. Elucidate me."

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February 22, 2012
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Does anyone know where this Knox box fabrication factory was located? I have not found anything definitive. There are Knox names (cities and counties) all over the place (PA,IN,OH, TN, IL). There's a company called Alumaknox that makes aluminum truck boxes (coincidence?) and a company called Knox that makes the Knox Boxes that Scott referred to. They're some kind of fire emergency access boxes. I'm not finding anything that is leading me to the source of the infamous "knox box" past or present!

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February 22, 2012
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Thank you Scott for the information!  I am glad to see that you have experiance behind the counter. Do you still have access to your parts books?

I kind of think that sometimes we all get a little side tracked in the Petty details.  I Have said it before and will say it again, ALL information, no matter how or where it comes from is good.  Let's all keep that in mind and except information for what it is. 

Again, Thank you Scott, for the follow up post with your information.

Lloyd

February 23, 2012
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By my time there, everything was based on IBM punch cards. IHC started the use of computers  and a data processing system in 1955.Parts books had been replaced by micro-fiche at the Depot

February 23, 2012
3:58 pm
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Micro-fiche, shudder, I remember that while in the Military. Got to where I was quoting stock numbers in my sleep, sure annoyed the Wife. LOL  I still like the Books and Practical experiances, Kinda hard to tote punch cards, Microfiche and readers around out in the field. Too bad all that stuff was not transfered to Hard drives and backups, would make our lives easier.   Yes Scottso, I know you are the Wiz with the Computer. I hunt and peck most times.

Did we ever get a picture of the bed by the OP of this thread?  I think I know which one he bought, was thinking about buying it myself, just cause.

February 23, 2012
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Or do we have any provenience of Knox as a separate company. 

February 23, 2012
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first as far as i know and what i have found in my research is that Knox was a company separate from ihc and they made all kinds of service body beds for different applications.

also here in the past some one posted all the details about the Knox company and were they were originally based.

 i believe it was buckeye binder but do not quote me because it was a long time back and i am not exactly 100% sure it was buckeye binder.

yet his name is the name that comes to mind as to who posted the info on the Knox company.  

next my research also tells me ihc contracted with Knox to build pickup beds for ihc for the k/kb pickups because ihc could not produce enough beds for the k/kb pickups themselves.

also of what i have read here on the sight as well as in my research every one referes to the Knox bed as a heavy duty after market not factory ihc made bed that was offered as a factory ihc optional bed at an added cost for the k/kb pickups.

so because Knox made the box specific for ihc they than applied there owen company specific data tag to identify the Knox box as there part.

 Yet even thought Knox made the box specifically for ihc that does not change the fact that it is a part that was not made buy ihc and there for it is in all reality an after market part. 

further more there was a member way back that posted on here about having a factory original trailer from the 40s that was built buy Knox and the poster posted photos of the trailer as well.

 the trailer was not the same as the Knox box used on the k/kb pickups.

 how ever the trailers tailgate was stamped with the word Knox like the tailgates were on the Knox beds used on the k/kb pickups.

 but the problem is this was posted so long ago that i do not believe it can be found on the sight since we have changed servers several times.

 how ever my understanding is Jim kept all the posts from the first sever the sight was on and if we could access these posts so there is a good chance we could locate the post dealing with the Knox trailer.

  we may not be able to find the post as some of the previous posts were also lost when Jim was changing severs as the sight crashed a couple times as well during sever changes.

 yet i believe if we had access to the older past posts that Jim/john have saved from the first sever we could find the post that shows the Knox trailer. 

 

another example of ihc having other suppliers make there parts is the windshield frame for the d and k/kb series trucks.

 deal is ihc did not make the windshield frames even though they carry an ihc part number and are list buy part number is the appropriate parts books.

 instead ihc had a awning&shade company make the windshield frames for the d/k/kb series pickups and trucks.

how ever the awning&shade company that made the windshield frames is still in business and operating under the same name in the same state.

if you want more info on the company talk with member spikedog as he researched the company out and even contacted them personally to see if they still had the dies and tooling to make the unic and one of a kind material that was used to make the d/k/b windshield frames.

 well after doing all the leg work of finding the company and talking with them he found out the company does not having the tooling and machinery to make the materail used to make the windshield frames as he was looking into reproducing windshield frames.

with all this said i still stand buy what i have said from the start which is ihc did not make all there owen parts and it is not uncommon to find 2 are more trucks of the same year/model that are different and are have different parts.

 

as for your question Lloyd the op posted pics of the bed/box he bought in his blog.

  in turn looked at his blog and posted here on this link as to what his bed/box is.

 with this said it is a 6 /2 foot short bed for a 37/38 and possibly early 39 d series as it is of the slab type and has the tailgate with 3 lower hinges and the triple diamond and the word international stamped into the center of the tailgate.

 i would have posted photos that i copied from his blog to my computer but i can not get photo bucket to work at present.

 lastly sorry about the lengthy reply and i am working on getting them shorter.

Robert/KB48

February 23, 2012
7:42 pm
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Thank you for the information Robert. I am trying to find more info on the "knox" boxes and or Company. We will see if anything turns up. Perhaps someone will remember the posts you refer to and might have kept a picture or two. Perhaps Jim might even look when he has time.  It would be very interesting to find more information. Now that I see the picture of the OP's bed, yes it is the one I watched on craigs for awhile. I think as was stated sometime earlier, Most people would not know that the box did not belong if he choose to use it. After all, You either go 100% stock or modify in some way the vehicles we have. Has always been the case and I think it always will be the case, no matter if IHC or other brand. Difference is what makes Life interesting!

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February 23, 2012
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I believe that information is here     Link leed to blank pag
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February 24, 2012
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lbesq, where are you located?  Are you in Idaho?  I wonder because you said you watched the CL listing for a while.  I have been looking for months for a box and had a CL app on my phone.  It popped up one day and as far as I could tell it had only been listed for a few hours when I called and went and snagged it.    Maybe I missed it for a while.  There were several other boxes over the last 6 months but most were later models and I couldn't get the people to call back. 

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February 24, 2012
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Located in Nampa, I check CL early AM and after work fairly often.

Lloyd

February 24, 2012
11:25 am
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If we take kb48's aftermarket suggestion as true, that would make much of the IHC into aftermarket. Think about it. Gauges, window regulators, brakes, fuel system, carb, steering, glass, wipers and radio.  The mind boggles.

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February 24, 2012
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The K-3.KB-3 staion wagon body HFP was made by 3 different suppliers but all three made to IHC spec.
D-1 was made in Toledo at the Willy's plant but is still an International

February 24, 2012
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I still don't understand why International didn't have their name/logo put on the tailgate of the KNOX boxes!

February 24, 2012
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Because there many have been a Knox trailer ,does not mean that it is relaited to Knox box.
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&…..50e0asJnRw

February 24, 2012
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First the link posted to the Knox trailer shows a totaly differant style trailer than the 1 i was refering to.
Further more the Knox name that was stamped on the tailgate of the trailer i was refering to had the same formatt/style as that of the Knox word stamped on the Knox box tailgates used on ihc pickups
Next i can not say for sure and to date i have found no info as to why knox stamped there name and not ihcs name on the tailgate of the boxes knox made for international.
So my guess and my guess only is because since knox built the boxes they wanted there name to be stamped in the tailgate so they could get there name out.
Lastly it was more than likely part of the contract ihc had with Knox that Knox had the rights to stamp there name in the tailgate instead of ihcs.
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February 24, 2012
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The link was to a 1958 vintage trailer.

This link is to a past thread
http://oldihc.org/truck-talk/k…..b-knox-box

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