1936 C1 brakes


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Post Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:22 am

1936 C1 brakes

I searched the last 20 pages of "1940 and Older"

My goal is to rebuild the stock brakes on my truck.
Master Cylinder is seized solid.
I have the front hubs off, right front backing plate had one broken bolt and other 3 were loose. That made removing the hub really fun.
Rear brake line is capped off at the tee on the frame by the master cylinder. Not sure why, I haven't got the rear hubs off yet. But I'm guessing the were leaking when it was driven last in the 60's.

Some questions,
Are C1 axles the same as 37 and newer? D1?
Most comments about brakes involved swapping axles. I can and will if I have to but that is actually pretty low on my list of thing I want to do.
Anybody do this and not post up about it?
Replacement Master Cylinder #?
Wheel Cylinder #S?

Or am I :t0116: :t0174: :bashhead: ??

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Post Tue Jan 01, 2019 11:04 am

Re: 1936 C1 brakes

Wheel cyl may or may not be available new, but can be restored by sleeveing and new rubber cups installed, see Whitepost restorations for this
Shoes will not likely be available but can be re-lined
Master cyl might be available , as many were used in other application. Look for a casting number on the master and see if you can find it listed somewhere.

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Post Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:32 pm

Re: 1936 C1 brakes

My 36 C-1 has cable brakes.

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Post Wed Jan 02, 2019 2:40 am

Re: 1936 C1 brakes

36 Binder:
I checked in a 1950 Wagner brake parts catalog that I have.
The '35-'36 C1 uses a FF1722 Master cylinder (or just F1722), which is also used on the 37 to 40 D2 Internationals, and many other cars. I see this is available at NAPA as part number NMC M1722, but pricey.
Wheel cylinders are as follows:
Fronts C1 are FC2966 (old Wagner number). The D2;s use the same in front so a Wagner F 14497 or Raybestos WC14497 should work. Available as a Dorman W14497 on Amazon.
Rear C1 cylinders are FD3474 (again old Wagner number), which is not the same setup on the D2 rear wheels. The FD3474 uses an FC5351 repair kit, which the catalog shows is for an 1-1/8" bore. Sorry but I don't have a new part number, and I was unable to find another model of car or truck that uses this cylinder (other than a C-5 IHC).

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Post Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:35 pm

Re: 1936 C1 brakes

Thanks for the info D2Crazy,

I got my rear hubs pulled today. I will try to get the rear cylinders off for further inspection and to compare to the fronts. They may be getting sent off or go to plan B because drivers side drum is in really rough shape.

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Post Fri Jan 04, 2019 10:51 pm

Re: 1936 C1 brakes

So plan B is swap out rear axles with this trailer axle. A later model International, and hopefully parts are available for these brakes.

Image20190103_133535 by Bubba Gump01, on Flickr
So can anyone ID this year range of this trailer?
Then once I have it narrowed down I can look for brake parts, and pull this one in the shop to inspect it before pulling it out.

edit: add more pics

Image20190103_133551 by Bubba Gump01, on Flickr

Image20190103_133600 by Bubba Gump01, on Flickr

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Post Fri Jan 04, 2019 11:54 pm

Re: 1936 C1 brakes

Looks to be a 50's series bed. It is a long bed. Lots of useful parts there, especially the Tail Gate. Is there a smooth panel on the front or is International embossed also?

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Post Sat Jan 19, 2019 10:52 am

Re: 1936 C1 brakes

Image20190114_172816 by Bubba Gump01, on Flickr
Looks plain to me.

Most of the mid 50's look like the same bed to me.
I searched for 1953 r110 and looks the same to me.
Rockauto has all the brake parts to get it going for a 53 r110. Guess I gotta get this thing in the shop this weekend and see the condition of my axle. And try to figure out what year it really is.

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Post Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:54 am

Re: 1936 C1 brakes

So plan B didn't pan out. The Blue 50's axle was pretty rough.
Leaking pinion seal
right hub, drum thrashed
4.10 gears which isn't a bad option, but no options to change it

Enter plan C
The dreaded Ford 9".
Not that I really wanted to do it, because everyone does it. But I have a 63 Ford Convertible in my yard. Axle is 2 1/4" wider, so 1 1/8" per side. Should be close enough for what i'm doing, and it really quickens up my timeline.

So for the people that have swapped axles is there a dual reservoir master that is kinda close to the original mounting??
I can build a bracket if I have to but if someone has done this for me to copy that would be cool.

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Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:16 pm

Re: 1936 C1 brakes

Lot of people install the 8.8" Ford from an Explorer, if that is too wide for a C may be a Ranger rear? They are cheap and available.
9" Ford is fine but the axle is likely too wide and people value them for higher hp installs in later (wider) cars.
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