IH's that might have been.


When what have does not fit one of the other categories, then this is the place to post it.

User avatar

Yard Art
Yard Art

Posts: 81

Joined: Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:10 pm

Location: Bay Area, California

Post Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:53 pm

IH's that might have been.

Article from hemmings about some Scout based vehicles IH was working on:

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2020/1 ... 2020-10-12
1936 International C40
2002 Chevy Avalanche
1962 Triumph TR4

Golden Jubilee
Golden Jubilee

Posts: 1241

Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:32 am

Location: Minnesota

Post Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:31 am

Re: IH's that might have been.

way ahead of its time, little like the photo type bronco
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/92/78/bb ... 546fa3.jpg

Golden Jubilee
Golden Jubilee

Posts: 4650

Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:28 pm

Location: Lyman, IA

Post Tue Oct 13, 2020 11:27 am

Re: IH's that might have been.

It is my conjecture that what killed the lightline was EPA and Cafe reg's. Unlike other mfg that had a broad product line in cars, IHC only had a a few pick-ups and Scout II. It is very hard to justify the cost to certify an engine to meet those std for such a small segment of their sales.
It is why AMC engines showed up in the late 60's and 70's in the IHC line-up. They could buy a complete engine with EPA cert cheaper than they could build themselves.
With diesels taking over even the medium truck market, gasoline engines days were numbered at IHC. Mis Management played a roll, but IHC had always been strongest in the medium and heavy market, and that is where they chose to stay. Remember the light line was the last segment added to IHC's vehicle line-up it made sense it would be the 1st to be axed when things got lean.
When was the last time you saw a Petebult car? It was the 30's when Mack had Mack Jr. and only recently that Freightliner has ventured into the medium market.
Like White, IHC tried to venture out into every market, it may have been a good strategy in the 50's but by the 70's it had nearly killed IHC and White.
I think the Scout II was destine to fail. Like the Loadstar it suffered badly from rust, and the engine options made it an expensive car to drive.

Golden Jubilee
Golden Jubilee

Posts: 8379

Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:45 pm

Location: Canada's left Coast

Post Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:16 pm

Re: IH's that might have been.

conjecture: an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information
IH died for more than a few reasons. the coup de grâce was the poorly prepared management picking a fight with the UAW. IH died from years of bad decisions. Some call this willful stupid.
The big 100 years of IHC book, from Crismon, details many of the fail points.
I would rather have tools I do not need than to need tools I do not have
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Mark Twain

Golden Jubilee
Golden Jubilee

Posts: 4650

Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 9:28 pm

Location: Lyman, IA

Post Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:24 pm

Re: IH's that might have been.

nikkinutshop wrote:conjecture: an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information


Since I am not privy to the internal workings of IHC at that time, I think the word was appropriate.

Golden Jubilee
Golden Jubilee

Posts: 8379

Joined: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:45 pm

Location: Canada's left Coast

Post Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:13 pm

Re: IH's that might have been.

So do I. My mentioning this was not for you, this time.
I would rather have tools I do not need than to need tools I do not have
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
Mark Twain

Golden Jubilee
Golden Jubilee

Posts: 1241

Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2012 6:32 am

Location: Minnesota

Post Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:15 pm

Re: IH's that might have been.

Found this on that website, Did read something similar.

Michael 11 years ago

I'm sure everyone knows this already but to respond to the original post by Robert Walter and just to be clear about why the Scout disappeared after 1980; the management team at International were sick of dealing with the unions, so they filed chapter 13 and sold off all the various pieces. The buyers (2) of the lite line division never produced vehicles, just parts.
Those of us that love Scouts live in hope the International/Navistar will bring back the Scout. It was looking good with the MXT but that too has met the chopping block.

Return to Miscellaneous

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

cron
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group
Designed by ST Software for PTF.