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I brought up the refugee thing because I suspect the two were confusing the help refugees get (often supplied by the group that "sponsors them" in this country). You can't get food stamp, welfare or other "help" without a valid Social Security card. end of story, they can get some health care as all ER's are required to at least stabilize anyone, regardless of ability to pay. There are charity's not funded with tax dollars, that do help the undocumented, but that isn't what we are talking about.
A drivers license is just that, it isn't proof of status, and by having one, it allows those un documented with a vehicle to get insurance, while many (both un documented and otherwise ) drive without insurance, at least with the license they CAN get it. I would rather give them the chance to buy, and crack down hard on all who drive without it, then prevent them from having auto insurance.
You and I will never know what true profileing feels like, we are the wrong race to know that. Being a trucker should give you some inkling of what it is like, however.
I knew a grad student in Sociology who was Hispanic. He did an experiment where he drove in an affluent suburb of Chicago, 1/2 the time it was just him in is car and the other 1/2 it was him with a lawnmower sticking out of the trunk. You can guess which way he was stopped and when he never got stopped. Same clothes, same time of day, it didn't matter. Profiling does exist, and yes I do it to some extent, it is ingrained in us to be suspicious of things and people different than us, One must make a conscious effort to not let it effect you actions to those that aren't the same.
I challenge you to bring some proof to the table of undocumented getting "papers" that legals can't get. Not hear-say or radio commentator rants, but proof.

I had 4 years of cancer treatment that could have cost me over a million dollars. As long as I was just regular treatment everything was covered including the medication. All I paid was the parking.
If I had to suffer the American system I would not not use up everything my wife and I worked for. I would choose suicide.

Nikki
I guess you read my post before I deleted it. I would have left it had I known you were posting
I want my family to have what I worked for. When the writing is on the wall I will end it on my terms.
I believe our system is oriented to suck the estate dry before death. I always carried the best insurance the company offered and its taken away when I become a liability. Our Insurance companys have power in our government. Insurance companys profits alone would be a good start toward a paying for a medical system.
I pay for a suplument Insurance but it doesnt help much. Im working towards freeing up more of my monthly income to get a better plan. Either way I'm putting out more out of pocket
I had more stress over the bills than from the cancer. I have always maintained a fair lifestyle until now.
I deleted my post because I didnt want to look like I was crying in my beer
.Nikki; I hope your cancer stays gone or can be controlled.

This is my post from this morning that I deleted.

All the issues on this page are lagit and need to be addressed . My concern is what just wiped out my bank account.
A bout with cancer about two years ago. One medical setback is wiping out a lot of seniors 401k's. I always had good health insurance. When the personel dep. came out yearly and asked which insurance plan I wanted I just said give me the best plan. I very seldom used it. With good health I had stiches in my hands more than anything.
When i got sick after six months you are considered long term disability and you get a long term insurance thats bottom line.
I am maintaining life on the edge. My primary care doctor wants me to get follow up checkups for the cancer. I just say I cant afford copays for the specialist. You have three appointments before they schedule a test. They milk the system. I dont want to know if its coming back. I will leave my wife a house to live in.
I could rattle on here but wont. There are going to be people dying from not being able to afford going to the doc. I may be wrong but I think one bout with stage 4a cancer will wipe out most 401k's
The radiation destroyed my teeth. The dentist told me he would give me implants for 1000 per tooth. I laughed with my hand covering up my crumbling teeth.
II apologise for my rant but while congress is arguing people are suffering.
This country can do better.
On the immigrant issue start with the gangs. Any criminal offence and throw them over that imaginary fence. Then address the issue with the rest. I worked in Brazil in the early 80's. i loved the people and understand why they want to be here but we cant support the world with our own system stressed as it is.
I live now for the three hours a day my body allows and am thankful for that. I have my family. Im a foutunate man. You young guys make good use of those healthy years.

Most all will agree our health care system is the worse of any industrialized nation. Obamacare was a way to try and address it within the current system. The real problem is the current system (for profit healthcare) We have the most expensive healthcare money can buy. I'm not sure how we got to healthcare from sanctuary cities and illegal immigration, but here we are.

I did read your post, ML. It is still up. Don't take it down. This is real life stuff that should make persons angry and tell their elected persons to make changes. I cannot believe that the persons who make up your great country can ignore this important health issue. 40,000 of your fellow country-persons died in 2016 because they could not afford the cost of good health. First, get involved and make every effort to understand the system then push for change.
Our system didn't just fall from the sky. It took years of unions and semi-socialist elected persons, like Tommy Douglas, to get to where we are.
Never forget, No good person will ever go unpunished"

CB89, I watched that conversation fall apart. It makes me very disappointed and angry. I am one of the fortunate who have the luxury of being able to look at your system from a distance.
One of our politicians suggested that real change starts at the bottom. The administration you have is not good health care friendly. It is the middle class that do the work and need good health to keep America Great.
https://youtu.be/BRXitrAtUZg

CB89, I watched that conversation fall apart. It makes me very disappointed and angry. I am one of the fortunate who have the luxury of being able to look at your system from a distance.

I think that is best place to observe it, the farther away the better! I just don't have the skill set that allows me to "desirable" to other countries. I envy my highschool friend who was able to spend several years in New Zealand and is now in your metro-area. She has skills that allow her to work around the world.

Most all will agree our health care system is the worse of any industrialized nation. Obamacare was a way to try and address it within the current system. The real problem is the current system (for profit healthcare) We have the most expensive healthcare money can buy. I'm not sure how we got to healthcare from sanctuary cities and illegal immigration, but here we are.

I was reading a thread where US citizen paying $1500 a month for insulin. The high cost of insulin in the US made news in Canada where much of the cost is covered. Some areas of our frozen north cover 100%

http://healthydebate.ca/personal-health ... e-diabetes

The biggest obstacle to change in the US health system is that all the law maker, and the biggest donors all get their healthcare insurance paid for by someone else. Too many think that those without healthcare or adequate health insurance just need to "get a job" but most jobs available are either part time or don't include good insurance. Add in people like me, who are self employed and must buy on the individual market, which for all intents and purposes subsidizes the large group plans that large business can buy at a much lower per person cost.
I hope Bernie is successful but can't hold my breath that long.