Corona Virus


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Post Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:18 pm

Re: Corona Virus

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Post Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:26 pm

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Covid19 has taught me a few things. 1) I can easily cooperate with the community guidelines and survive nicely. 2) Many of my favorite eateries offer take-out and or delivery. I think the food tastes just as good here as there and our home is quieter. 3) I can do much of my shopping on line. I placed three orders for clothing on AMAZON in the last hour. There will be a delivery on each of the next three days.
When I was a kid, my Mother used to order from the Eaton's and The Hudson's Bay catalogues. There was a mail-in form and in a few days the goods would arrive. In the 1950s, on the farm, there was not too much excitement, so when the packages would arrive at the local post office, the 7 mile drive to town, to pick up our stuff, was a big deal.
The big department stores, in Canada, had this thing figured out decades before AMAZON. I think someone, in the big store
management dropped the ball, so to speak.
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Post Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:51 pm

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Covid19 is looking for you. Do not be an easy target.
https://www.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/index.html#cases
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Post Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:33 pm

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Here in British Columbia, some persons did not take the covid19 warning seriously and as a result put many others in jeopardy.
Under the direction of Doctor Bonnie Henry our Provincial Health Doctor there were regulations on gatherings and distancing. Our covid19 numbers were the lowest in North America and dropping.
After one weekend of beach going crowds in Kelowna, BC, the numbers of covid19 infections jumped by 30 this last week and one of those persons has died. These numbers are for British Columbia, only. I have to think there must be an elevated number of out of province visitors from the beach crowd infected.
"It ain't over till it's over." Well, you can't argue with that. American baseball legend Yogi Berra first uttered the phrase about baseball's 1973 National League pennant race. His team was a long way behind when he said it and they did eventually rally to win the division title. While we are not a long way behind, I know we will eventually rally to win this pandemic fight.
Life as we knew it may never be the same to the same level.
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Post Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:29 pm

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I read an simple on-line comparison of wearing pants to wearing a mask. The writer suggests this. If two of us are not wearing pants and one of us pees on the other's leg someone gets wet. If one guy is wearing pants and get sprayed, he still get wet, but not so much. If both persons are wearing pants, only the sprayer gets wet. I had a GF back in the day - - - - - - - well, you get the rest.
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Post Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:18 pm

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Herman Cain dies from Covid, he tested positive 9 day after attending Trump's Tulsa rally, was admitted to the hospital shortly after the positive test, never left, died today.
This thing doesn't care what your political affiliation or whether you "believe in it" or not.
There are still those who will call it a hoax up and until it takes one of their loved ones, then they will change their thinking, but it will be too late.

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Post Mon Aug 03, 2020 1:14 pm

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We've blown past 155,000 dead, and are sprinting toward 200,000 by the end of Aug. All this in about 6 months from the 1st infection in the US. We have no cure, and only marginal "palliative" care to assist the body in fighting off this virus. In all likelihood we will not see any "cure" or preventative measures medicinally for another 6 months or even longer.
The response has become Hyper-political. We have politicians promoting drugs that time and again fail in large random trials, in words and action discouraging methods that are proven to help slow the spread of the virus.
I am at a loss to explain the emotional attachment to Hydroxychloroquine? Every large scale random trial has shown it to ineffective yet it still leads the press and number of "studies" and antidotal stories. Interferon, has in one small study, shown a 79% improvement rate compared to placebo! It was a small study with only 100 subjects, so far from conclusive, but worth a look. How many other "possibilities" are shoved to the back burner for another Hydroxy study? How much of the limited research budgets are being spent on a drug that fails the only test that matters? This is what happens when politics wades in and attacks science.
We also have another problem brewing, it is completely man made and even solvable if we have the will to do so. We have people out of work, and unable to buy food, medicine or pay for housing. This in a country that is burying food it can not or will not ship, has the space to house those who need it, and the medicine is on the shelf. All these problem are a "money" problem. It isn't that we can't provide these necessities in a time of crisis, but that we choose not to because we can not make a profit doing so. Yeah, it sound socialistic to say so, but it is also the truth.
WW2 was the last time we, as a nation had to pull together to survive. It seams we have lost the will to do so. Imagine someone in WW2 saying they weren't going to "black-out" at night? "I have a right to light my own lights"? Yeah, that would have gone over well- NOT! We have those refusing to wear a mask on an airplane, where everyone is crowded in the same space! We have McDonald workers shot and killed for not moving fast enough? We expect meat processors to do a dangerous job with no protections so we can have cheap, meat!
Most recently, we have cut off aid the many that needed the $600 additional unemployment to survive. Unemployment was a lousy way to deal with this in the 1st place, it isn't a job crises but a national health crises! While there is some blame to hand around, the House past a bill back in May to address it, and the Senate didn't start negotiating until the last hours of the last week in the session. Another man made crises. Now the Senate has completely abdicated their responsibility to the White House for fear of passing something that Trump would not support, then being the difficult position of either failing the people (again) or overriding a veto by the President!
Once again politicians are picking winners and looser in the response to the crisis. Most of the PPP money went where it did the least good for the country and the most good for politicians. Our government coffers are not bottomless. We need to support People first, if that means we put profit on the back burner until we get over this crisis, I'm ok with that. We can't buy our way out, it has to be people working to help people, business interests will have to come later.
Many business will fail during this crises, but we already have a number for how many people have died! Business failure are unfortunate, but human deaths are a tragedy !

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Post Mon Aug 03, 2020 4:19 pm

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Good read. Better than the news channels.

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Post Mon Aug 03, 2020 5:46 pm

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Cornbinder,
Good read and alot of good points. I agree that is truley unfortunate that politics and money have taken this over. I know that there has been alot of money thrown at this on many different fronts but I disagree on one point and that is that there no proven studies on Hydroxychloroquine having positive results. It is not a cure but it can have a positive effect when treating patients with Covid19. Just like you said it is so political you are not sure what to believe. The information about it being a dangerous drug is also false. It has been used for many years to treat inflamation for many diseases. Just seems that people are against it since Trump has said a few good things about it and that is sad. Again the positive impact this can have may seem minimal to some but if it is able to save some lives then why not? Lives matter. Here is a link to one substantial study https://www.henryford.com/news/2020/07/ ... ment-study

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Post Mon Aug 03, 2020 6:25 pm

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I didn't say they were no studies, I said there were none that passed the random/blind test, which is only test that really matters.
The Ford study has been roundly panned by peer review and wasn't remotely random, Many factors were used to determine which group a subject was placed in.
Every large scale random/blind test for Hydroxy has found no benefit, it is long past the time this drug is left on the shelf for the application where it is effective.
It is beyond time to let good science guide the day
I fail to understand why some have such an emotional stake in hydroxy being "the" solution?
https://wdet.org/posts/2020/07/15/89828 ... onclusion/
one of many critiques of the Ford study
Any drug that can show result in a large random/blind study, means a doctor can within reason, administer the drug with the expectation that it will be effective, anything less than that is not useful.
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