What size nut is on the main shaft companion Flange


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Post Fri Jan 20, 2017 7:28 pm

What size nut is on the main shaft companion Flange

I wrote a few weeks ago about my problems with my t496 transmission. As of late the nut that holds the yoke on the main shaft decided to come off. In doing so I think the end of the shaft broke off but there is still little more than an inch of thread left on it that I think I can put a new nut on.

I have an old IH transmission that I am thinking of salvaging the nut off of it but I have run out of larger size sockets in the tool bin to take it off. I am thinking its an 1-1/4" socket. I took a pair of calibers out and came out with a rough reading of 1-5/8".

Does anyone really know what size this castle nut is so when I go down to the Sears store looking for a larger Craftsman socket I can get the correct one. :t0117:

As always your knowledge is power. Craig

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Post Fri Jan 20, 2017 9:00 pm

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Safest bet is what you measure on the nut in front of you. Things can change over the years and from one trans to another. Measure across the flats, and that is the socket size needed.

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Post Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:39 pm

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Well some progress has been made. As it turns out the nut size on the older transmission was actually 1-1/2" . I was able to actually determine this after scraping all of the old oil and dirt around it to get a socket to fit it.

I have failed in my first attempt to remove this nut. With my 1/2" breaker bar all I did was break the breaker bar. It would not budge but it did bring up the question. To remove this nut do I turn in clockwise or counter clockwise. My first thought was counterclockwise since most nuts function that way. :t0119:

Then I got to thinking that perhaps this is just the opposite so that the nut turns into the rotation of the main shaft to ensure it does not come loose. Do you have an opinion or answer for that question.

In the meantime, I found a main shaft nut on Ebay, which I think will work and is the right size. More to come

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Post Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:49 pm

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all output shaft nuts I've come across are conventional right hand threads. Sometimes the nut can be stuck from rust and the fine thread. Worse case I have drilled the nut in several places and split it with a cold chisel. This means the nut is useless but they can be bought new.

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The story continues. I have determined that the nut I require is has a 7/8" diameter so my old transmission nut, that I was trying to get off, wont fit because its 1" I.D. I now have a nut and as I had explained before this is just going to be a fix in the field kind of thing because I only have about a 1/2" of threads left on the main shaft of the transmission to work from. Once I have the nut tighten I am going to weld it on to the end.

I thought I had more thread until I removed the Flange (Yoke) that slides along the main shaft. On my older transmission the flange has no movement but on this it almost appears that some movement is allowed. Maybe a 1/4" of sliding ability. Either this or it suppose to have a mighty thick washer to make up the difference.

Can anyone confirm that with a T496 transmission (5 spd) with PTO that is on a 1976 Loadstar?

My hopes is this fix will get me through the remainder of winter plowing and then I can look for a replacement transmission and I can use help with that on who in the country might have those. Thanks Craig
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Post Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:08 pm

Re: What size nut is on the main shaft companion Flange

Here's the PN for the correct nut...

19853R1 Nut,companion flange.

It fit IH 5spd's ie; T-34,35,36,495,496,698,699.

It's still available new.

Google search;
https://www.google.com/search?q=19853R1 ... art=0&sa=N

One link I checked;
http://www.machinerytrader.com/list/par ... PST=Starts

24 avail. by my count. It may also be possibly had from an IH/Case dealer and even Navistar(?).

I haven't been around for nearly a year so I am not familiar with you. SO,as I did for years I will implore that you get a copy of the trucks Line Setting Ticket. With medium and heavy trucks it can be an indispensable tool.
There's a thread in this section about them and I suggest reading it.
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Post Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:39 am

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Scottso, I do that the setting ticket for this vehicle and as you said it really provides a lot of information about the truck. I appreciate the information you provided me today. Craig


1 4199 LINE SETTING TICKET 1

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FRT PD DISTRICT ORD. QTY. SLOT DATE___
* YES PORTLAND 1 0/17 1 R 4172____
CHASSIS____
INTERNATIONAL HARVESTER CO 1 795
10672 - DHA_ _
ENGINE
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Post Wed Feb 01, 2017 10:18 am

Re: What size nut is on the main shaft companion Flange

Craigermags wrote:The story continues. I have determined that the nut I require is has a 7/8" diameter so my old transmission nut, that I was trying to get off, wont fit because its 1" I.D. I now have a nut and as I had explained before this is just going to be a fix in the field kind of thing because I only have about a 1/2" of threads left on the main shaft of the transmission to work from. Once I have the nut tighten I am going to weld it on to the end.

I thought I had more thread until I removed the Flange (Yoke) that slides along the main shaft. On my older transmission the flange has no movement but on this it almost appears that some movement is allowed. Maybe a 1/4" of sliding ability. Either this or it suppose to have a mighty thick washer to make up the difference.

Can anyone confirm that with a T496 transmission (5 spd) with PTO that is on a 1976 Loadstar?

My hopes is this fix will get me through the remainder of winter plowing and then I can look for a replacement transmission and I can use help with that on who in the country might have those. Thanks Craig

Bolt on yokes are not supposed to slide back and forth once the nut is tightened. Perhaps a loose yoke is what caused the shaft to break off in the 1st place. I don't think much of your temp repair idea, I think it will break again in short order, and it would be better to face the problem head on now, than in another snow bank next storm from now.
Things break for a reason, esp things like shafts and splines, unless you address the cause, the symptom will keep coming back. Now is the time to replace the main shaft or put in a good used trans.
IIRC it started with a broken shift fork, If you don't address the route cause, you are going to continue to break things. No one from this end of a computer link can say for sure what is wrong, but now is the time to pull the trans and have a competent trans shop look it over. The more mickey mouse repairs you do the more expensive the repair becomes in the end.
Bite the bullet and either replace or repair NOW!
Edit:
After finding and re-reading the thread on the shift fork disaster, I have the following comments.
1st: The shift fork furthest to the rear is most often the 1st-rev fork. The one closest to the front is ALWAYS, the direct and the next gear up or down, so it sounds like the 1st rev was the one that broke.
2nd, something caused this to happen, and combined with the breaking of the main shaft, sounds like a failed bearing, snap ring or case, is allowing the main shaft to move in ways it shouldn't.
3rd the output yoke is most often bottomed against the rear mainshaft bearing, on trans with roller bearing (ball bearings) this doesn't effect bearing pre-load. Main shaft end play is controlled by the snap rings on the shaft and outside of the bearing and the case.
I have had my hands on and in many manual transmission, and it is my experience, the longer you wait to solve the problem, the more expensive it gets and the more extensive the damage. It can quickly progress from a broken snap-ring to a total loss of the case, gears and shafts.
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Post Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:58 pm

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Glad to see you have the LST,but what you pasted is not as important as the codes are,they are what you use to look up parts with.
I read over the thread with the fork issue and to answer one question...no,there is pretty much nothing in the top cover/shift rail housing that's interchangable between the T-34,5 & 6 and the T-495/496. The forks are totally different being the main difference.
The cause of the fork breaking can be a number of things things though. Usually it's something in the cover like a bent shift rail and even the detent balls and springs can be at the root of problems,if any of these aren't up to snuff and shifting becomes harder some will begin to force it instead of fixing it while it's a simple matter,hence something breaks that shouldn't have. If I read it right the fork was the rear one which is 1st & rev.,theres a "lockout" block for 1 & R that can cause problems if the plunger/spring are fubar which as I said make somebody force things. Out of the 3 forks we sold fewer 1/R than the other 2,the primary reason there was drivers using the shift lever as a hand rest and putting presure against the syncro's,that would wear on both. A one point IH revised things and added nylon inserts to those forks in effort to lessen the wear factor. It helped but didn't aliviate the problem totally.

The parts book you have is not right for the year truck you have,the MT-127 covers 1971 to 1973. You need the MT-132,it has the 495/6 trannies.
It took me about 10 minutes to look up and Google the nut,even after all these years I still know the illustration figure plus a lot of the pn's.
There are however many internal parts shared by all the above mention trannies and some are still available thru the web.

In case you're unaware a member (Irish Mike) has a site with a number of parts and service manuals.
Here's the MT-132
https://app.box.com/shared/otkihx6yoa/1/26421826

It's an older revision but is better than nothing. Unfortunately there isn't one for the T-495/6 but there is one for the T-434,5 & 6 which is the short lived designation for the T-34 et al. As the internals are virtually the same as what you have it should be useful.
https://app.box.com/shared/otkihx6yoa/1/55882590

These manuals can be downloaded in whole or part, I do it in sections for the ones I have,doing an entire manual at once takes hours.

FYI, Theres a little box with up/down arrows to change how things are viewed,I prefer numeric/alphabetical so I opt for Name when I use the site,it just makes it easier/faster.

Overall I wholly concur with CB as I'm a believer in "do it once,do it right". If you can find a reman unit it may be the best route,that way you have a warranty. Finding parts all from one source is iffy at best.Buying a used one is even more iffy because it's true condition may be no better than what you have.

Btw,
The 495/6 was further "upgraded" ca.1980 and redesignated T-698/699 respectively,used in the S-series well into the 80's. The direct in 5th models are much more prevalent than the OD models (ie; T-34,496 & 699) and are way easier to find. Being you have a 2spd rear I doubt you'd really notice a big difference anyway if you went with a direct model.

Off the top of my head I can think of 2 possible sources for reman. units and possibly even some parts. Six States Distributors and Weller Truck Parts. Crane Carrier (CCC) is another that may still do these trannies.


http://www.sixstates.com/products/products.jsp

http://www.wellertruck.com/

Both have locations in Boise.
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